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Geralt_Bialy_Wilk

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Resolving action & negated effects.
« dnia: 2007-09-15, 17:00 »
Takie pytanie.

Atakuję prowincję. Mam więcej kart naval niż przeciwnik, więc deklaruję Naval Invasion. Mam też szugasa z "Purge the Weak". Czy jeśli zagram akcję z Naval, obrońca zagra mi Reinforce the Gates, to mogę użyć reakcji z Purge the Weak i zagrać następną akcję?


Reinforce The Gates
Reaction: After a player announces a Battle action before the Defender’s first normal opportunity to act or pass: Negate the action’s effects.
Battle: Even if you control no units at the current battlefield: Target an unopposed unit there. Move the unit to a target battlefield where it would be opposed.


Purge the Weak
Maho Reaction: After one of your Limited, Open, or Battle actions resolves, permanently give this Shugenja -1C: Take an additional action with the same designator (Limited, Open, or Battle).


Naval Ability
Reaction: If you are the Attacker and your current army has more Naval cards than the opposing army, once per battle after engaging: You have the first opportunity to take a Battle action, which must be performed by a target Naval Personality or one of his Naval Followers.

In cases where multiple cards perform an action, only one need be Naval.


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Resolving action & negated effects.
« Odpowiedź #1 dnia: 2007-09-15, 17:39 »
Możesz. Na Purge nie pisze ze akcja musi byc "succesfully resolved", więc starczy tylko, że próbowałeś.
b]Dragon Clan * Beerseeker * Drunken Master * Monk[/b]
Brogan's abilities may be play any number of times per turn, by any player.
Battle: destroy target Beer card: give Brogan +3F. Straighten Brogan.
Battle: destroy target Hangover card: bow Brogan.

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Resolving action & negated effects.
« Odpowiedź #2 dnia: 2007-09-15, 21:03 »
Cytat: "Brogan"
Możesz. Na Purge nie pisze ze akcja musi byc "succesfully resolved", więc starczy tylko, że próbowałeś.

Zgadza się. Tu cytat z comprehensive rules:

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If mandatory costs and required targeting have been met, apply the action’s effects in order (see Effects, Order of Effects). If not, the action does not resolve.

An action resolves even if all its effects are negated or otherwise do not occur as effects. Negation only determines whether an action is successful (see Glossary, Successful).


No i przy okazji wyjasnienie co to znaczy "successful" (pamietam ze jakos ostatnio byl z tym problem i nie moglem znalezc definicji)
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A successful action or other occurrence is one whose effects produced one or more actual changes in the game state.

Changes resulting merely from the occurrence's mechanical requirements, targeting, or costs, are not counted in success.
Example: An Action card being discarded, an Event leaving its Province, or the fact that an ability on a Personality has been used, all do not count toward success.

Effects that are negated, that do not occur, or that had a one-time effect but had nothing to affect are not actual changes in the game state.
Example: "Bow all Shugenja" when no Shugenja are in play is not a successful action.

Ongoing changes to the general conditions of the game do change the game state even if there is currently nothing they affect.
Example: "Until the end of the game, all Shugenja have -1F" when no Shugenja are in play is a successful action.